Schon wieder Vinyl von While Heaven Wept im Anmarsch

[Acurus-Heiko]

Gerade einer Werbemail entnommen:

Vessel als 7" und das Demo "Lovesongs of the Forsaken" sollen in Kürze auf Vinyl releast werden.

Das ist dann schon ein bißchen viel Vinyl in recht kurzer Zeit.

[Mirco]

Single-Edit und Alternate blabla Mix halte ich für unsinnig. Aber als Käufer der letzten Warning-Maxi sollte ich vielleicht still halten

[Rantanplan]

Zwei Lieder (von drei) der "Lovesongs Of The Forsaken" sind doch schon auf der zweiten LP vorhanden. Wenn der Preis nicht unschlagbar gut ist - oder die Vö wenigstens unveröffentlichtes Material enthält - kann ich mir den Kauf getrost klemmen.

[MrsGod]

Ich hab die Lovessongs leider nicht im Original Vinyl, deswegen finde ich das ganz gut. Eine Single ist nun mal eine Single, dazu da Promo zu machen etc.. Kann man mögen, muss man aber nicht.
Es wird allerdings noch mehr WHW Vinyl geben dieses Jahr, und damit wirds dann meiner Meinung nach zu viel.

[Siebi]

Ich hab die Lovessongs leider nicht im Original Vinyl, deswegen finde ich das ganz gut. Eine Single ist nun mal eine Single, dazu da Promo zu machen etc.. Kann man mögen, muss man aber nicht.
Es wird allerdings noch mehr WHW Vinyl geben dieses Jahr, und damit wirds dann meiner Meinung nach zu viel.

Der Re-Release vom Re-Release und/oder doch das neue Album?!?

[disaster]

Ich hab die Lovessongs leider nicht im Original Vinyl, deswegen finde ich das ganz gut. Eine Single ist nun mal eine Single, dazu da Promo zu machen etc.. Kann man mögen, muss man aber nicht.
Es wird allerdings noch mehr WHW Vinyl geben dieses Jahr, und damit wirds dann meiner Meinung nach zu viel.

Der Re-Release vom Re-Release und/oder doch das neue Album?!?

Ja, hoffentlich wird das neue Album endlich auf Vinyl veröffentlicht.

[MrsGod]

Ich kann noch nichts darüber sagen...

[Siebi]

Ich hab die Lovessongs leider nicht im Original Vinyl, deswegen finde ich das ganz gut. Eine Single ist nun mal eine Single, dazu da Promo zu machen etc.. Kann man mögen, muss man aber nicht.
Es wird allerdings noch mehr WHW Vinyl geben dieses Jahr, und damit wirds dann meiner Meinung nach zu viel.

Der Re-Release vom Re-Release und/oder doch das neue Album?!?

Ja, hoffentlich wird das neue Album endlich auf Vinyl veröffentlicht.

Bezog mich auf das neue Album, was bereits eingespielt sein soll, nicht diesen FW-meets Epic-Vessel-Furz namens VOL.
Oder kommt 'ne Live-Scheibe des HOD-Gigs?!? Mensch, Frau Gott, lass uns nicht dumm sterben! Ab wann darfst Du denn die Wundertüte öffnen? Zumindest wird ein bestehendes Vinyl neu aufgelegt, sonst wäre die Verärgerung im anderen Thread nicht zu Tage getreten... wenn es denn um WHW ging. *wild spekulier*

[MrsGod]

Noch ca. ne Woche.
Ich muss mich ja auch gedulden...
So weltweite Presse Statements müssen koordiniert werden.

[Mirco]

Zumindest wird ein bestehendes Vinyl neu aufgelegt, sonst wäre die Verärgerung im anderen Thread nicht zu Tage getreten... wenn es denn um WHW ging. *wild spekulier*

Welcher andere Thread ist gemeint?

[Tom WHW]

I decided to intervene personally here, to address any issues surrounding the next wave of WHW releases...and my apologies for replying in English, but the only German I know is beer.

Regarding "Lovesongs Of The Forsaken" - it is part of the same series commemorating the 20th Anniversary. You will note the identical graphic presentation on the back panel of the gatefold. One of the primary incentives of this particular release is that it will fix the flawed "Lovesongs" portion of the "Chapter One" 2LP, in the same way that the "Sorrow Of The Angels" LP from earlier this year did. Additionally, our debut EP has been out-of-print since 1995. The B-side contains the original 1994 promo cassette, which originally was pressed in a quantity of 50...meaning unless you were one of the 45 people that actually got one outside of the band, you've never heard it. That said, it's merely a bonus that I thought would be a cool thing for the diehards. Anyway, everyone should know that I'm a perfectionist, and fixing side 3 of "Chapter One" is something that I've wanted to do since it was released originally.

"Vessel" is simply the single from "Vast Oceans Lachrymose"...it should've been released before the album in more formats than just vinyl, but there wasn't the time or resources to do so. This rectifies that. The A side is the edit from the download-only "VOL Singles EP" and the B side the unreleased original EU promo master mix. Every effort has been made to insure this contains versions not otherwise available, and for the record, we are releasing it strictly as a promotional item; the band is not being paid for it at all...we're getting a few copies for our personal collection...that's it.

I've made it a point to be very clear on the contents of each release so that you can determine for yourselves whether or not it is worth purchasing. A lot of the folks on this board are in fact old-school, thus probably already have everything in one format or another...if that's the case, unless you're a completist, there's no reason to buy something twice. This goes for any other repressings as well - any "archival" releases from WHW that surface between now and 2014 are primarily for the people that are writing us & our partners every day because they missed them/just discovered they existed. We're doing our best to accommodate everyone. If you have the first pressing of anything, and it has a special value to you, then by all means, revel in that...don't spend your money again for a different sleeve or color of vinyl.

For those of you that DO have everything, let me just state that there will be 100% brand new releases coming sooner than later...those are in fact for YOU specifically...I can't get into all of the details at this specific moment, but in about a week or so, press releases will be issued. What we are preparing for you is absolutely a labor of love and will be of particular interest to everyone that was around Wuerzburg in February (yes, that is a hint).

Additionally, "Fear Of Infinity" is being scheduled for a late Spring 2011 release...and there will be more than that coming too...I've got another entire album composed to follow that within 18-24 months of the release of "FOI"

In light of the many disparate opinions about archival releases, let me articulate that once I complete my "life's work"/primary ambition, all of the past releases will be issued a final time, and there will NOT be any further limited editions of those. They will NOT contain any of the original mixes, and will all be expanded significantly. These will not surface any earlier than 2014. I do not wish to give away all the details, but I will say that everything will be doubled in size and scope. And I daresay, if you were so inclined to purchase a 2nd version of any previous release, these would be the ones to hold out for.

While it is not the desire of myself nor WHW to piss on anyone's chips with reissue after reissue, the latter point strictly addresses my own personal ambitions, the very reasons this band exists...I want to feel content in that what I've attempted to express is 100% accurate emotionally...that it sounds like what I've always heard in my head.

The whole point of the 20th Anniversary series is to make those recordings available in their original form, one final time...particularly for everyone that missed the originals, which were extremely obscure and very much limited...and to correct all the fuck-ups past. Please do not spend your hard-earned money on something you already have and are satisfied with it. If you are a completist, thank you for your undying support...we strive to make every release worth your while.

To summarize...after 2010, there will NOT be any further limited editions of anything on CD ever again. Vinyl, well...enough copies will be pressed to insure that everyone that wants them will be able to get them (which was not the case with the series released earlier this year).

Our focus at this time is primarily upon 100% brand new releases, but we will continue to release archival recordings between the new ones, especially considering I've recently discovered 8 DAT tapes from the 90's...and have started the process of transferring old reel-to-reel masters to digital...this will result in the unveiling of a massive quantity of previously unreleased material, including an entire unreleased album from 1995. There's so much going on, I cannot even begin to explain here.

Thanks to everyone for your time, attention, and understanding. Our apologies to anyone that takes umbrage at the issue of repressings, but we're going to do our part to insure that all WHW fans are accommodated...hence addressing the past as well as pressing forward.

Cheers

Tom/WHW

[Michael@SacredMetal]

Wow, Tom.
THANKS a million for writing such a fantastic reply, answering everything (and more) that could possibly needed to be answered. Respect for that....

[Wildfire]

Ich habe es auch schon im High Roller Newsletter gelesen, werde ich bei der nächsten Bestellung definitiv einsacken. =) Bestimmte Songs auf Single zu haben ist gar nicht mal so schlecht!

[Acurus-Heiko]

Ich hab die Lovessongs leider nicht im Original Vinyl, deswegen finde ich das ganz gut. Eine Single ist nun mal eine Single, dazu da Promo zu machen etc.. Kann man mögen, muss man aber nicht.
Es wird allerdings noch mehr WHW Vinyl geben dieses Jahr, und damit wirds dann meiner Meinung nach zu viel.

Ich denke, es ist nun zu viel. Die Band tut sich ab jetzt mit dieser Welle unübersichtlicher, inflationärer Rereleases keinen Gefallen. WHW sind schließlich nicht Michael Jackson. Abgesehen davon werden solche Scheiben wie Chapter one schlicht entwertet. Auf diesem Vinyl befindet sich ja das komplette Demo "Lovesongs of the Forsaken". Und zwei dieser drei Songs wurden gerade erst auf Vinyl rereleast.

Oben steht: "One of the primary incentives of this particular release is that it will fix the flawed 'Lovesongs' portion of the 'Chapter One' 2LP". Das sehe ich anders. Der einzige Fehler der Pressung liegt in den Song-Übergängen, weil sie mit einer Pause versehen sind, obwohl die Übergänge fließend sind. Das ist zwar nicht schön, aber auch nicht dramatisch. Letztlich werden nun zwei der Demo-Songs von "Lovesongs of the Forsaken" mehr oder weniger innerhalb weniger Wochen zum zweiten Mal auf Vinyl veröffentlicht. Rechnet man "Chapter one" mit, werden sie seit 2002 insgesamt zum dritten Mal auf Vinyl veröffentlicht. Der Song "Vessel" wird mit der anstehenden Vinyl-Single innerhalb weniger Wochen das dritte Mal auf Vinyl gepresst. So geht das wirklich nicht. Das wirkt wie der totale Ausverkauf, erst recht, wenn jetzt noch weitere Sachen kommen.

Die sollten sich besser darauf konzentrieren, Dinge zu veröffentlichen, die noch nicht veröffentlicht sind.

So sehe ich das - und ich liebe WHW.

[Acurus-Heiko]

@Tom

Firstly, it is nice to see your quick and intensive reaction. But - secondly - I have an other point of view: In the last five or six months a lot of WHW stuff has been (re-)released:

- Vast Oceans Lachrymose on CD
- Vast Oceans Lachrymose on 1 LP in 33 speed
- Vast Oceans Lachrymose on 2 LP in 45 speed
- Of Empires Forlorn on CD (re-release)
- Of Empires Forlorn on 2 LP in 45 speed (re-release)
- Sorrow Of The Angels on CD (re-release)
- Sorrow Of The Angels on LP in 33 speed (re-release)

I absolutely love this music because I love WHW. Believe me, I am owning every one of this and older releases on CD and LP, too.

Focusing the actually situation with the upcoming WHW-(re-)releases I have to note the following: The Song "Vessel" will be re-released on 7" Vinyl. In the last five or six months this song has already been released on

- one CD
- and two different LPs.

Therefore, this will be the fourth (re-)release altogether or third on Vinyl - in only some months! That possibely could be a little bit too much, I think.

The Demo "Lovesongs of the Forsaken" has been offically released completely in 2002 on "Chapter One: 1989-1999" (one of my most favourite LP's!!!). Two of the three demo-songs has been (re-)released on every "Of Empires Forlorn" album. And now, the demo shall be rereleased again. I do not need this songs for a sixth or seventh time.

It seems that we have a WHW-releasing-overflow. In other words: WHW is not a big world wide mega seller. WHW is surely one of the best and most creative Doom bands on earth, well known and loved by fans of this type of music. But WHW is not more in this moment. We do not want to have (re-)releases with always the same songs. We want see you live and we want new songs. If there is a different version of "Vessel" than put it on Vinyl together with songs, we do not know or with songs, which has not been (re-)released so often, like "La Mort D'Amour".

That is my wish.

Yours, Heiko