holydio1 hat geschrieben: hey, that was NOT my attitude. But that's the one from most people out there nowadays. The only thing I said (and here we disagree) - I can understand that. There are lots of pros and contras to that theme but to say - the music consumer is the one who is guilty, is as false as to say the music industry is it. It might be a conglomerate of lots of reasons, but not to accept this challenge - as the music industry behave - is totally un-understandable.
NegatroN hat geschrieben: I don't think that iPods (or MP3 in any form) will really change anything. People that really appreciate music will still buy it and will still buy the whole CD, not only a single. And people who don't appreciate it don't buy CDs anyway - and also didn't do that in the times before MP3.
Prof hat geschrieben:NegatroN hat geschrieben: I don't think that iPods (or MP3 in any form) will really change anything. People that really appreciate music will still buy it and will still buy the whole CD, not only a single. And people who don't appreciate it don't buy CDs anyway - and also didn't do that in the times before MP3.
Sorry, but that is complete and utter bollocks. Over the past two years or so I have had to witness, up close, how long-standing independent record stores here in The Netherlands are struggling to stay afloat. As we speak, some of the best have already closed their doors - this is in no small part due to more and more people downloading their music. That also goes for people who used to buy more than one album each week - a child can do the math and see the implications of this downward spiral.
Michael@SacredMetal hat geschrieben: I know that a lot of my students don't possess a single CD but "own" thousands of mp3s. They can't understand that I habe 2500 CDs at home.
There MUST be a coherence...
Dustin hat geschrieben: I actually own an 80gb iPod, but I bought it for more of a convenience of having my CD library at my finger tips. I did NOT buy it to REPLACE my CD's, as I love having a physical, tangible copy with artwork, and liner notes. It is a very sentimental thing, much like it is for those that enjoy owning vinyl.
Personally, I fought the idea for years, but when my wife bought one and showed me how easily she could access the music she wanted and fit it into her pocket, I fell in love with it. I was tired of carrying around 24-48 CD's in with me everywhere I went, and having to conceal them in my car or in my desk. I also hated the fact that every time I slid my CD's in and out of the holders jackets, they were getting scuffed. Now, all the CD's I buy (yes, I still buy CD's!) are in mint condition, and I OWN the PHYSICAL COPY of the album as a back up just in case my iPod breaks, or my hard drive (where I store my music) crashes. This is how I feel digital music should be handled? Buy the CD and it is YOUR and then you can move it to a digtial format for your convienice AND have the legal copy of the album as A back up! to me, this is smart, ecinomical, and you are supporting the artist and albel that helped bring you the music you enjoy. I know this sound silly, but this is how I do it, and I have no guilt about it.
Dustin hat geschrieben:This discussion has come up on our own forum, and several others that I lurk at. I have gotten into many verbal arguments about this. I do not feel that MP3 players in general are the issue concerning the quality of music or the possible downfall of the industry. It is those that are taking music illegally via torrent sites and using MP3 players as a tool which many abuse rather than use it for what it should be. As long as they make CD's, I will still buy them, as I love to collect them. If a new hard-copy format comes out, I'll move onto that as well. But I cannot see the industry moving to an all digital format.. there is no control with digital right now. There are many legalities right now over digital distributors too, which we are now finding out are WORSE than record labels when it comes to fulfilling contractual obligations and paying the artist (or record labels)!
The digital age with music right now is like a runaway train, and there is no conductor to pull the brake before it goes off the tracks. I have said it before, but more than half of music consumers and listeners feel music is a "disposable commodity". It sickens me that so many people feel that they should not have to pay for the music they listen to, and that using torrent sites is okay, and no different than listening to the radio (which is also not free, the radio station pay for the music!). The problem is, how is an artist like myself, or even quality heavy metal record labels supposed to be reimbursed for the work put into making the music people enjoy, the time, the instruments, the studio costs, the mixing and mastering costs, the artwork and advertising?
A lot of people feel they are only sticking it to the really big fat cat record labels, but in the end, the smaller, independent record labels are being hurt too. Some are already closing their doors, while many are no longer signing artists and/or are cutting back payment and advances drastically just to stay alive in the market! If the record labels disappear, then the it will be up to the artist to do everything. while some may like that idea, I most certainly do not! I don't have time to handle every single aspect of the business, and I appreciate the help and support, (and sometimes freedom) a good record label can give an artist.
here's a possible scenario: If labels disappeared due to the fall of the music industry and an all-digital format, the level of quality control would go away, and any so-called musician with deep pockets and pro-tools could now compete easily. So, the downside to that is any idiot who has money and thinks he can play, would be in your face all the time vying for you to buy his music. For example, if this was done with CD's in mind, Can you imagine every single unsigned artist on myspace releasing a CD in stores and having to go there and weed through them all to find one that was actually GOOD!? You would be there for hours sifting through TONS and TONS of terrible, half-asses musicians and bands who have no business playing. There isn't a building big enough to hold them all, it would be like chumming for sharks in a small swimming pool of hammer heads! This is how it would be on-line in the all-digital age IF record labels go away. I fear this day?. I fear it more than the apocalypse, an asteroid hitting the earth or nuclear war. To me, that is the worst disaster imaginable. Even though many musicians and music fans hate record labels, and don't feel their money should go in their pockets, they are good for a few thing? quality control, financial, touring and publicity support.
Dustin hat geschrieben:Many torrent users say it's the same as the tape trading or CD trading days? but I digress, that is false. Long ago, you'd dub a cassette or burn a CD you purchased and send it to a few friends, a FEW, which means 3 or 5 people, and in most cases, if these friends liked it, they went out and bought it! OR, they would instead dub or burn something that you don't have that THEY BOUGHT and sent it back to you as a TRADE. This is how music was spread and bands got popular through word of mouth. Today, if you upload your library on a Torrent, you are giving 3,000 - 5,000 people a free copy, and a majority of them have NO INTENTION of buying it or trading it for something they purchased! It's a musical debauchery, a free-for-all orgy of stealing form artists, and it disgusts me to no end. Many have no intention of buy even a T-shirt! I have heard people say that bands would just have to tour more and sell more merchandise, but that is absolute crap? not every band has that luxury financially, and if labels disappear, how could they afford too? It is a very sad that many music consumers are taking music for free, much like mad locusts eating up everything in sight until it is gone. Who or what will be left in the next 10 or 20 years is anyone's guess. I hope I die before that day comes? it would break my heart and kill my soul if this happens.
Sorry, I didn?t mean to ramble on? I could go on forever on this issue as a musician AND as a music fan, but the bottom line for me is this: if and when music goes to an all-digital format, I will retire, and enjoy the music I still have that I paid for, and feel good knowing that I might have helped a starving artist or record label that supports the music I enjoy, stay alive as long as they could. As long as people are willing to blatantly misuse and abuse the digital format out there, I will refuse to buy into something that is fleeting and fruitless as an all-digital format.
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